Comments on: TPS revisited

By: 2009 Cleanup « Joel's Scattered Thoughts

2009 Cleanup « Joel's Scattered Thoughts — Thu, 31 Dec 2009 17:25:07 +0000

[...] TPS revisited from Tank like a girl [...]

By: tpaste

tpaste — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 13:32:03 +0000

Waaaay late to the party here, but in my (admittedly not very scientific) observations I do much better damage cutting SW and CB out of my rotation entirely…the reason – Dev procs Sword and Board. Perhaps there is something I’m missing but I just haven’t seen better dps (single target – with more than one mob, SW is still valuable) including CB and SW.

By: Zellviren

Zellviren — Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:20:21 +0000

The threat that comes from the new and improved Devastate is a significant increase, but to really get the most out of it you have to pick up the Glyph of Devastate (you get the additional threat from the Sunder Armor that goes with it).

As Kadomi mentions picking up the glyph in her post, I’m assuming she is applying her numbers with that in mind.

Best thing to do? Pick up the Glyph of Devastate and give it a go on a boss somewhere; it shouldn’t be too hard to find one.

By: Devistate is all better now « Tanking for Dummies

Devistate is all better now « Tanking for Dummies — Fri, 16 Oct 2009 05:05:08 +0000

[...] Talents | Tags: devastate, Mathcraft, patch 3.2, Threat I want to point more tanks over at Kadomi’s post from Tuesday concerning warrior ability use priority. It is a great summation of the information gleaned from [...]

By: Ablimoth

Ablimoth — Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:38:00 +0000

Only with the glyph of Devastate (but really, it’s so good what else would you want!).

By: Kadomi

Kadomi — Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:18:19 +0000

If you are only looking at an encounter from a threat perspective you could probably get by just using SS on cooldown, spamming Devastate and Heroic Strike in the meantime. However, to maximize your own personal DPS, Shockwave, CB and Revenge all provide more damage.

The rotation you describe would be easy, but also boring. Prot warriors are interesting because they have this huge toolkit, and we should learn to use it all.

By: Kadomi

Kadomi — Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:16:09 +0000

Thanks for the math! That means that struggling tanks that need a threat lead can pretty much spam Devastate to get a headstart, but if you are looking to maximize damage (for example on fights that are farm content or DPS races) Revenge, CB and Shockwave should still be used quite a bit.

By: Baruti

Baruti — Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:04:09 +0000

If I take a loook at the Priority Kadomi posts in this post (SS->Dev->SW->CB->Rev), why bother with SW, CB and Rev at all is a 1-on-1 encounter?
I mean, doesn’t that mean you should always use SS first, then if that is on CD, use Dev, then… But Dev is never on CD…
So basiclly just spam Dev and use SS when it is available..
Would make the ‘rotation’ rather easy…

please explain if I got it wrong, I’ve been out of the serious tanking game ever since TBC!

~B.

By: Ablimoth

Ablimoth — Thu, 15 Oct 2009 05:59:57 +0000

Wait, I know now. I double dipped the crit damage. It should have been:

0.25 * [Average Devastate damage * 1.05 (2pT9)] * 1.2 + 0.48 * [average weapon damage]

Note the 1.2 not as I’ve already accounted for the first 1x damage for the original hit.

Starting from the beginning: Devastate compared with Revenge

(1.05 * (0.95 * {([weapon dps] + [ap]/14)*[weapon speed] + 202 * 5 + 0.25 * (1.2 * ([weapon dps] + [ap]/14)*[weapon speed] + 202 * 5}) + 0.48 * ([weapon dps] + [ap]/14)*[weapon speed])))

(Interpretation: (2pT9 * (Defensive Stance * {([Devastate Damage +( 2pT8&talents * impale * Devastate Damage + Deep Wounds))))

Average hit is then: 3086
While Revenge remains at 3228

So Devastate will do more threat than Revenge, but not more damage.

Damn... ya'all just got treated to a lovely, long, boring run through of the way I think at the end of a work day... (and all for rough, dirty and imperfect math!).

Assumptions: 0% crit (buffed), Last Laugh, 5k ap (again, buffed), talented Revenge and Devastate (crit).

As your weapon improves (i.e. if you manage to get http://www.wowhead.com/?item=47513) you will do more damage with each Devastate but even with this, Revenge does more damage. Revenge also scales differently to Devastate with gear (20.7% of ap rather than (14% * [weapon speed]).

Bah, I’m done: For me, Revenge > Devastate for damage done, Devastate > Revenge for threat.

By: Ablimoth

Ablimoth — Thu, 15 Oct 2009 05:39:26 +0000

Actually, since I’m going to get chewed out by it:

Increased Devastate crit %:

0.25 * [Average Devastate damage * 1.05 (2pT9)] * 2.2 + 0.48 * [average weapon damage]

1864 additional average damage (more than Revenge) per hit

Devastate damage (relative to Revenge) is then (1765*1.05)+1864 = 3717

Revenge average damage is [average revenge damage * 1.2] = 3228

Well… isn’t that a shock… I mean, I knew Warriors loved to crit, I just can’t believe that 25% crit (and 5% damage) is greater than 20% damage…

I must have done something wrong, brb.