Comments on: Of raiding tiers and when to move http://www.tanklikeagirl.com/2009/10/06/of-raiding-tiers-and-when-to-move a (mostly) protection warrior blog Sun, 05 Sep 2010 09:12:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Kadomi http://www.tanklikeagirl.com/2009/10/06/of-raiding-tiers-and-when-to-move/comment-page-1#comment-3064 Kadomi Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:26:31 +0000 http://www.tanklikeagirl.com/2009/10/06/of-raiding-tiers-and-when-to-move#comment-3064 This is probably how it's going to pan out for us as well. I would have liked a much clearer progression path, but that's just as it is. Hope they've learned from their ToC experiment. This is probably how it’s going to pan out for us as well. I would have liked a much clearer progression path, but that’s just as it is. Hope they’ve learned from their ToC experiment.

]]> By: Randul the Dwarf http://www.tanklikeagirl.com/2009/10/06/of-raiding-tiers-and-when-to-move/comment-page-1#comment-3063 Randul the Dwarf Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:29:46 +0000 http://www.tanklikeagirl.com/2009/10/06/of-raiding-tiers-and-when-to-move#comment-3063 I've seen links to your blog, but never actually followed one until now. I like it and will be adding it to my "to read" list. As to the question of when to move on, you are beyond the point where you should be moving to TotC & Ony, which you've apparently already learned. My guild has a progression team for the back half of Ulduar and we will take pretty much anyone that shows up to TotC and Ony. Putting TotC & Ony in after Ulduar had to have been a big fat joke on Blizzard's part. .-= Randul the Dwarf´s last blog ..<a href="http://wheresmedrink.wordpress.com/2009/10/14/vezax-down/" rel="nofollow">Vezax Down</a> =-. I’ve seen links to your blog, but never actually followed one until now. I like it and will be adding it to my “to read” list.

As to the question of when to move on, you are beyond the point where you should be moving to TotC & Ony, which you’ve apparently already learned.

My guild has a progression team for the back half of Ulduar and we will take pretty much anyone that shows up to TotC and Ony.

Putting TotC & Ony in after Ulduar had to have been a big fat joke on Blizzard’s part.
Randul the Dwarf´s last blog ..Vezax Down My ComLuv Profile

]]> By: Kadomi http://www.tanklikeagirl.com/2009/10/06/of-raiding-tiers-and-when-to-move/comment-page-1#comment-3062 Kadomi Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:09:38 +0000 http://www.tanklikeagirl.com/2009/10/06/of-raiding-tiers-and-when-to-move#comment-3062 Welcome to my blog then, any wow.com visitors welcome. :) We're still doing Naxx as well. We kinda split up our raiding. I am the raid leader of the progression type stuff, and another officer leads the stuff that's older. Mostly Naxx so far. I still believe that Naxx is perfect for actually learning how to be a raider. It might not sound it, but we're people over progression as well, though I like for the people to bring it. I actually find Ony a bit more challenging than most of the ToC encounters, after having done both now. Welcome to my blog then, any wow.com visitors welcome. :)

We’re still doing Naxx as well. We kinda split up our raiding. I am the raid leader of the progression type stuff, and another officer leads the stuff that’s older. Mostly Naxx so far. I still believe that Naxx is perfect for actually learning how to be a raider.

It might not sound it, but we’re people over progression as well, though I like for the people to bring it. I actually find Ony a bit more challenging than most of the ToC encounters, after having done both now.

]]> By: Kadomi http://www.tanklikeagirl.com/2009/10/06/of-raiding-tiers-and-when-to-move/comment-page-1#comment-3061 Kadomi Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:06:29 +0000 http://www.tanklikeagirl.com/2009/10/06/of-raiding-tiers-and-when-to-move#comment-3061 I am kinda relieved to hear we're not the only ones struggling with that fight. Hate Freya a lot. I am kinda relieved to hear we’re not the only ones struggling with that fight. Hate Freya a lot.

]]> By: Melfina the Blue http://www.tanklikeagirl.com/2009/10/06/of-raiding-tiers-and-when-to-move/comment-page-1#comment-3059 Melfina the Blue Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:50:38 +0000 http://www.tanklikeagirl.com/2009/10/06/of-raiding-tiers-and-when-to-move#comment-3059 My guild is currently doing Naxx runs to gear up our two new 80s. Veteran raiders and alts are welcome, but the new 80s get first gear priority and first slot priority. It seems to work pretty well, and it allows a friend (and fellow hunter) to get used to raid leading in a less stressful environment. We're also doing Ony and attempting TOC while still needing to finish Ulduar (haven't made it beyond crazy cat lady). We hit our heads against TOC or Ony for a bit, then go clear part of Ulduar (for the herbs in Freya's room, if nothing else). Mmm, frost lotus... Of course we're a small laid-back guild, and it's people over progression for us. (found you through wow.com, in case you were wondering) My guild is currently doing Naxx runs to gear up our two new 80s. Veteran raiders and alts are welcome, but the new 80s get first gear priority and first slot priority. It seems to work pretty well, and it allows a friend (and fellow hunter) to get used to raid leading in a less stressful environment.

We’re also doing Ony and attempting TOC while still needing to finish Ulduar (haven’t made it beyond crazy cat lady). We hit our heads against TOC or Ony for a bit, then go clear part of Ulduar (for the herbs in Freya’s room, if nothing else). Mmm, frost lotus…

Of course we’re a small laid-back guild, and it’s people over progression for us.

(found you through wow.com, in case you were wondering)

]]> By: mairiiv http://www.tanklikeagirl.com/2009/10/06/of-raiding-tiers-and-when-to-move/comment-page-1#comment-3058 mairiiv Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:16:39 +0000 http://www.tanklikeagirl.com/2009/10/06/of-raiding-tiers-and-when-to-move#comment-3058 If you've gotten Vexas down then ToC (normal) should be easy. I've cleared it 3 times with a PUG on characters that has only Conquest emblem gear with he odd Ony10 drop. My third time I did ToC we actually only had 1 wipe to clear the whole raid...and that was some stupid mistakes by DPSers If you’ve gotten Vexas down then ToC (normal) should be easy. I’ve cleared it 3 times with a PUG on characters that has only Conquest emblem gear with he odd Ony10 drop.

My third time I did ToC we actually only had 1 wipe to clear the whole raid…and that was some stupid mistakes by DPSers

]]> By: Verile http://www.tanklikeagirl.com/2009/10/06/of-raiding-tiers-and-when-to-move/comment-page-1#comment-3051 Verile Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:19:55 +0000 http://www.tanklikeagirl.com/2009/10/06/of-raiding-tiers-and-when-to-move#comment-3051 I think with the relative ease of getting gear these days that most guilds are using a sink or swim approach to newer raid members. Personally, I still think running newer raid members through Naxx is good idea if nothing other than an evaluation. .-= Verile´s last blog ..<a href="http://rejuvo.wordpress.com/2009/10/12/ui-addons-3-of-3-grid/" rel="nofollow">UI Addons 3 of 3 (Grid)</a> =-. I think with the relative ease of getting gear these days that most guilds are using a sink or swim approach to newer raid members.

Personally, I still think running newer raid members through Naxx is good idea if nothing other than an evaluation.
Verile´s last blog ..UI Addons 3 of 3 (Grid) My ComLuv Profile

]]> By: Kadomi http://www.tanklikeagirl.com/2009/10/06/of-raiding-tiers-and-when-to-move/comment-page-1#comment-3048 Kadomi Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:24:48 +0000 http://www.tanklikeagirl.com/2009/10/06/of-raiding-tiers-and-when-to-move#comment-3048 Yeah, I think that's what we'll have to work with. In case you haven't seen my lastest post, we did clear ToC yesterday, without any problems at all. If we can minimize the time to clear the place, this could be beneficial to get more gear and then go to Ulduar for the last parts within the extended ID. Yeah, I think that’s what we’ll have to work with. In case you haven’t seen my lastest post, we did clear ToC yesterday, without any problems at all. If we can minimize the time to clear the place, this could be beneficial to get more gear and then go to Ulduar for the last parts within the extended ID.

]]> By: ximera http://www.tanklikeagirl.com/2009/10/06/of-raiding-tiers-and-when-to-move/comment-page-1#comment-3047 ximera Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:17:17 +0000 http://www.tanklikeagirl.com/2009/10/06/of-raiding-tiers-and-when-to-move#comment-3047 We had a similar dilemma in my guild. We basically have Uld10 on farm up to yogg. we simply can not down him. we must be doing something elementally wrong as well. i mean i've wiped over 50 times on that fight and we can barely get to phase 2. the GM didnt feel it was prudent for us to be trying ToC 10 without clearing yogg first, but we went and cleared the place without him there. So just saying, it is possible to clear up through ToC10 man even if you havent downed Yogg. Sometimes complex fights are just not doable for people while a simpler mechanic on a higher tier is easier. We had a similar dilemma in my guild. We basically have Uld10 on farm up to yogg. we simply can not down him. we must be doing something elementally wrong as well. i mean i’ve wiped over 50 times on that fight and we can barely get to phase 2. the GM didnt feel it was prudent for us to be trying ToC 10 without clearing yogg first, but we went and cleared the place without him there. So just saying, it is possible to clear up through ToC10 man even if you havent downed Yogg. Sometimes complex fights are just not doable for people while a simpler mechanic on a higher tier is easier.

]]> By: Cassandri http://www.tanklikeagirl.com/2009/10/06/of-raiding-tiers-and-when-to-move/comment-page-1#comment-3046 Cassandri Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:15:42 +0000 http://www.tanklikeagirl.com/2009/10/06/of-raiding-tiers-and-when-to-move#comment-3046 I think you're spot on. You'll get 5/5 ToC no problem. I think it's best to head there for the shiny new gear soon rather than later - most guild members don't value full clears quite like the guild/raid leader does. Make sure you have time scheduled to come and work on Yogg. Keep extending that raid ID imo. The gear available to you in ToC will be more beneficial than reclearing Ulduar for gear. As for gearing up fresh 80s... I don't think this is your concern. With Emblems of Triumph and Emblems of Conquest you can gear up very quickly without spending much time in Naxx at all. Leave your fresh 80s to gear themselves up to Ulduar level - make them show some initiative! Scheduling your weekly raid calendar around the very latest tier (toc) and the previous tier (ulduar) I think is the best thing you could do right now. I think you’re spot on. You’ll get 5/5 ToC no problem. I think it’s best to head there for the shiny new gear soon rather than later – most guild members don’t value full clears quite like the guild/raid leader does.

Make sure you have time scheduled to come and work on Yogg. Keep extending that raid ID imo. The gear available to you in ToC will be more beneficial than reclearing Ulduar for gear.

As for gearing up fresh 80s… I don’t think this is your concern. With Emblems of Triumph and Emblems of Conquest you can gear up very quickly without spending much time in Naxx at all. Leave your fresh 80s to gear themselves up to Ulduar level – make them show some initiative!

Scheduling your weekly raid calendar around the very latest tier (toc) and the previous tier (ulduar) I think is the best thing you could do right now.

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