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		<title>By: Çirce</title>
		<link>http://www.tanklikeagirl.com/2009/01/12/mission-pug-about-to-proceed/comment-page-1#comment-1650</link>
		<dc:creator>Çirce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 22:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I love PUG tanking on my belf paladin. I&#039;ve met a bunch of good heals and dps that way, and some heals and dps I wouldn&#039;t ask again. But whatever.

IMO, PUGing on a tank is one of the best roles to do it on. You basically mark, lead, etc the 5 man. So if you know what you&#039;re doing the success rate of 5 random people together goes up a ton.

On my tank starting out, I did PUG runs about 75% of the time. I started tanking them in blues/few greens when I hit 80 and was in more then half epics a week and a half later.

As for no one in group knowing what to do on a boss. I have sat there and read up on a boss before doing it. This is especially helpful when someone in your group describes the &quot;wipe fest&quot; they had earlier in the week on the boss. And when you haven&#039;t ran the instance in regular. lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I love PUG tanking on my belf paladin. I&#8217;ve met a bunch of good heals and dps that way, and some heals and dps I wouldn&#8217;t ask again. But whatever.</p>
<p>IMO, PUGing on a tank is one of the best roles to do it on. You basically mark, lead, etc the 5 man. So if you know what you&#8217;re doing the success rate of 5 random people together goes up a ton.</p>
<p>On my tank starting out, I did PUG runs about 75% of the time. I started tanking them in blues/few greens when I hit 80 and was in more then half epics a week and a half later.</p>
<p>As for no one in group knowing what to do on a boss. I have sat there and read up on a boss before doing it. This is especially helpful when someone in your group describes the &#8220;wipe fest&#8221; they had earlier in the week on the boss. And when you haven&#8217;t ran the instance in regular. lol</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.tanklikeagirl.com/2009/01/12/mission-pug-about-to-proceed/comment-page-1#comment-1543</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hopefully not the last time you comment! :)

Grats on your drop luck, I am most jealous. I am shooting for the UK sword first, but so far no luck. In fact, I seem to be cursed tanking heroics so far, but hopefully I will get the tanking mojo again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hopefully not the last time you comment! <img src='http://www.tanklikeagirl.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Grats on your drop luck, I am most jealous. I am shooting for the UK sword first, but so far no luck. In fact, I seem to be cursed tanking heroics so far, but hopefully I will get the tanking mojo again.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhodry</title>
		<link>http://www.tanklikeagirl.com/2009/01/12/mission-pug-about-to-proceed/comment-page-1#comment-1542</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhodry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh, frequent reader, first time commenter?  Yeah, that&#039;s me.

I&#039;ve recently dusted off my warrior tank who was my first WoW character and have been outfitting him for heroics and trying a few here and there.  Healer friend and I did several in succession the other day and I decided to brave H UP.  I guess he must have saved up a lot of luck from not tanking much for 2+ years because the RSoC dropped for me.  Woohoo!

I&#039;m having a lot of fun tanking again, though the pressure can get tough sometimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh, frequent reader, first time commenter?  Yeah, that&#8217;s me.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve recently dusted off my warrior tank who was my first WoW character and have been outfitting him for heroics and trying a few here and there.  Healer friend and I did several in succession the other day and I decided to brave H UP.  I guess he must have saved up a lot of luck from not tanking much for 2+ years because the RSoC dropped for me.  Woohoo!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m having a lot of fun tanking again, though the pressure can get tough sometimes.</p>
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		<title>By: Vetiverr</title>
		<link>http://www.tanklikeagirl.com/2009/01/12/mission-pug-about-to-proceed/comment-page-1#comment-1539</link>
		<dc:creator>Vetiverr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hah, well I am one of those mean healers that pays attention and will call people out. I&#039;m sure I&#039;ve left a bad taste in some people&#039;s mouths, but they can&#039;t say I don&#039;t know what I&#039;m doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hah, well I am one of those mean healers that pays attention and will call people out. I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;ve left a bad taste in some people&#8217;s mouths, but they can&#8217;t say I don&#8217;t know what I&#8217;m doing.</p>
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		<title>By: Áethel</title>
		<link>http://www.tanklikeagirl.com/2009/01/12/mission-pug-about-to-proceed/comment-page-1#comment-1536</link>
		<dc:creator>Áethel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too almost never PUG ... I sometimes regret it thinking its a shame. Cuz as other mentioned. In the very beginning of the game I pug&#039;ed all the time and I met so many great and good people. Some of them I have been called my friends for almost 4 years.

But for me the quality of a pug is just to unreliable. I dont mind wiping but there has to be sanity in it. Wiping because people do not know how to play their toon just makes me mad and my poor keyboard takes some blows.

Furthermore I now have a limited playtime so I cant spend all this time waiting for a group and finding new replacements. If you go with guild or friends you are pretty sure they stay to the end.

I watched my boyfriend. Who is playing healer (yes we got that healer tank thing going on ;)) pug heroic Halls of Lightning the other day. It was just too painfull to watch and reminded of why I only pug occasionally. 9 wipes most of them made from bad tank pulls. 3 replacements and in the end they got respawns so they didnt downed last boss as the group then totally fell apart..... Need I say more ? :S

Another reason for not pugging is that I like to be the leader. Tanking works best for me when I set targets tell tacs etc. I guess I am a real control freak;) To be accepted as leader is just easiest when going with friends or guildies

/Áethel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too almost never PUG &#8230; I sometimes regret it thinking its a shame. Cuz as other mentioned. In the very beginning of the game I pug&#8217;ed all the time and I met so many great and good people. Some of them I have been called my friends for almost 4 years.</p>
<p>But for me the quality of a pug is just to unreliable. I dont mind wiping but there has to be sanity in it. Wiping because people do not know how to play their toon just makes me mad and my poor keyboard takes some blows.</p>
<p>Furthermore I now have a limited playtime so I cant spend all this time waiting for a group and finding new replacements. If you go with guild or friends you are pretty sure they stay to the end.</p>
<p>I watched my boyfriend. Who is playing healer (yes we got that healer tank thing going on <img src='http://www.tanklikeagirl.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> ) pug heroic Halls of Lightning the other day. It was just too painfull to watch and reminded of why I only pug occasionally. 9 wipes most of them made from bad tank pulls. 3 replacements and in the end they got respawns so they didnt downed last boss as the group then totally fell apart&#8230;.. Need I say more ? :S</p>
<p>Another reason for not pugging is that I like to be the leader. Tanking works best for me when I set targets tell tacs etc. I guess I am a real control freak;) To be accepted as leader is just easiest when going with friends or guildies</p>
<p>/Áethel</p>
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		<title>By: Cery</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I personally am not a fan of pugs as a tank or as a healer.  I have had a few good pugs back in BC days, but in Wrath, the couple I have done have been horrible due to dps just being bad.

Healing wise, I am usually ok if the tank is geared well, but I see a lot of tanks that are undergeared for heroics, which would be ok (since I am overgeared for them as a healer), but then the dps doesn&#039;t pull their weight.  When I see a dps doing less than 1500 output, I tend to say something or leave.  I can put out 1100-1200 as a Resto Shaman, so they should easily be able to put out 1500, and more close to 2000.

I got lucky I guess with Wrath and got in a guild group, and we ran 3-4 heroics a day before raids.  It made for easy farming of the Championed reps and Emblems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally am not a fan of pugs as a tank or as a healer.  I have had a few good pugs back in BC days, but in Wrath, the couple I have done have been horrible due to dps just being bad.</p>
<p>Healing wise, I am usually ok if the tank is geared well, but I see a lot of tanks that are undergeared for heroics, which would be ok (since I am overgeared for them as a healer), but then the dps doesn&#8217;t pull their weight.  When I see a dps doing less than 1500 output, I tend to say something or leave.  I can put out 1100-1200 as a Resto Shaman, so they should easily be able to put out 1500, and more close to 2000.</p>
<p>I got lucky I guess with Wrath and got in a guild group, and we ran 3-4 heroics a day before raids.  It made for easy farming of the Championed reps and Emblems.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncaringbear</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uncaringbear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I&#039;m tanking, I will almost never ever PUG. I even get shirty if a guild run has one or two random outsiders. I am less intimidated by PUGs if I&#039;m on one of my DPS characters.

I&#039;m kind of in the same boat - my tank is getting neglected, and I hate that. I think part of the reason is due to the large numbers of new tanks, and returning tanks. It&#039;s a lot easier for me to just let the GM or senior officers play their tanks than to try to debate the merits of who should be tanking. Yeh, it sucks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I&#8217;m tanking, I will almost never ever PUG. I even get shirty if a guild run has one or two random outsiders. I am less intimidated by PUGs if I&#8217;m on one of my DPS characters.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m kind of in the same boat &#8211; my tank is getting neglected, and I hate that. I think part of the reason is due to the large numbers of new tanks, and returning tanks. It&#8217;s a lot easier for me to just let the GM or senior officers play their tanks than to try to debate the merits of who should be tanking. Yeh, it sucks.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know about healing pugs. Tried that once, in TBC, and it was horrible, as you always get blamed when things go badly. At least as tank I know my shit. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know about healing pugs. Tried that once, in TBC, and it was horrible, as you always get blamed when things go badly. At least as tank I know my shit. <img src='http://www.tanklikeagirl.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Biggensak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Biggensak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 15:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad to hear you&#039;re back into the tanking PuG game - though it&#039;s been my experience that healers are in far higher demand these days.

Regarding the sword you&#039;ve been farming - it is probably worth hitting UK to farm for the &quot;Infantry Assault Blade&quot; off of Prince Kaleseth and the Red Sword of Courage from UP while you&#039;re in the neigborhood.  If you&#039;re already doing HoL without much issue you should be able to do UP in short order as long as your group can handle the mechanics of the gauntlet run on the third boss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad to hear you&#8217;re back into the tanking PuG game &#8211; though it&#8217;s been my experience that healers are in far higher demand these days.</p>
<p>Regarding the sword you&#8217;ve been farming &#8211; it is probably worth hitting UK to farm for the &#8220;Infantry Assault Blade&#8221; off of Prince Kaleseth and the Red Sword of Courage from UP while you&#8217;re in the neigborhood.  If you&#8217;re already doing HoL without much issue you should be able to do UP in short order as long as your group can handle the mechanics of the gauntlet run on the third boss.</p>
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		<title>By: Nevertoolate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nevertoolate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 15:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and I do pugs with my good friend, having a personnal healer is in my honest opinion the best that can be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and I do pugs with my good friend, having a personnal healer is in my honest opinion the best that can be.</p>
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